This week the question is about Dating Older Men. "Is it okay for a woman in her early 20s to date a guy who is 51?"
This is a great question. After further investigation, I learned that there are many young females who hang out at various local, upscale restaurants looking for older men with money to shower upon them...and apparently have been very successful in their efforts. Hmmmm, I wonder why? Many of these men are up to three decades older then these young females, possibly married, and are from out of town. They fly these girls to extravagant places, buy them gifts and when they are in town, they look them up and hook up.
I would like to start out by addressing the first part of this question, "younger women dating older men." Personally, I wouldn't date anyone who is more than a decade older than me, and I am 35. I just have a hard time dealing with the age gap and anything more than ten years just seems to be to old for me.
That being said, I know many people who have married older men and are happy. My mother, for one, is eighteen years younger than my father. However, one thing that stands out the most is that, although there is a significant age gap between my parents, my dad is young in spirit and health. He runs circles around people twenty to thirty years younger than himself, so he can keep up with my mom; in fact, my mom keeps him young. I know of several other people who have successfully dated men twice their age.
On the flip side, I also know several relationships wherein the woman chose a substantially older man and now greatly regrets it. It is as if the men just "give up." Maybe it isn't the fact that they are older, but the fact that they quit living and loose their drive that makes the marriage or relationship fail. I would have to say that in the relationships that work, the man is generally successful and has a lot of ambition.
So, personally, I couldn't imagine why on God's green earth a 21- to 35-year-old woman would want to date a 50-year-old man. That is just not for me.
The second part of the question is altogether different. I was recently reading in The Wall Street Journal about a survey done by Prince & Associates, a Connecticut-based wealth-research firm, which stated that "the average 'price' that men and women demand to marry for money these days is $1.5 million."
The study goes on to state that out of the 1,134 people polled nationwide that "two thirds of the women and half of the men were 'very' or 'extremely' willing to marry for money. The answers varied by age: Women in their 30s were the most likely to say they would marry for money (74%) while men in their 20s were the least likely (41%)" (see Marrying for Love...of Money).The study is not only alarming, but I think is a good indication of why marriages don't last beyond two or three years after walking down the aisle these days.
Now back to the question, I personally don't think that there is anything wrong with what these girls are doing...uh hummm...if that is what they want out of their life. Maybe they are just having some "fun." I don't think they are going into these dinners hoping to come out with a marriage proposal. More importantly, I think we all know how shallow these relationships are, because when they strip these men down to their skivvies, take away their most alluring attributes--their money, the gifts, the elaborate vacations--and get down to the essence of these men...that will be enough to send these girls a-packing after the next bald-headed millionaire.
I can't imagine why on earth you would want to mess around with, let alone sleep with, someone three decades older than you are. There is no amount of money, or drugs for that matter, that would make me get involved with this type of shenanigans. In fact, every time I see some old guy with a young girl on his arm, I can't distinguish whether or not she is his daughter, his daughter’s friend or his sleepover mate. It just really eludes me!
Further, do you think you are the only one? If they are so eager to lavish you with these extravagant gifts and promises, do you not think that so many other women are as eager as you to offer themselves up as a "playmate?" Is your health a top priority of yours, let alone of these men? Has it occurred to you that they are also providing these lavish gifts to other females around the world? With the high spread of HPV, Herpes, and God only knows what...doesn't that scare you?
Here are the statistics on Herpes alone: Despite the apparent declines in HSV seroprevalence, the American Social Health Association
(ASHA) predict that since up to 90% of HSV infected people are unaware of their infection due to mild or misdiagnosed symptoms up to 40% of all men and 50% of all women could be infected with genital herpes by 2025.[2]
I leave you with this thought...instead of chasing millionaires, go out and create a life you are proud of, find purpose, make your own money and do something with your life. In the end, you will have something you can take credit for, be proud of, and call your own--and even leave a legacy. What are you going to have at the end of each of these dead-end relationships? I would venture to say you'll be broke with a venereal disease.
-Freda
I’m going to respond to this one strictly in terms of the age difference issue and leave money out of the equation. After all, I don’t think you can automatically assume that all younger women date older men strictly for monetary purposes. While there certainly may be some truth to that assumption, that is an entirely different issue altogether.
So, on to the issue of age difference: I really think it depends on the individual. In particular, I think it depends a lot on the younger person in the relationship—male or female—and where they are in their life. If they have a good sense of who they are and where they are going, I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn’t connect with someone who is older than them. After all, men apparently mature more slowly than women. So why shouldn’t a woman who is in her middle-to-late twenties and mature be able to search for someone who is on the same level?
Again, it comes down to the individual person. It comes down to chemistry, compatibility, respect and all those other words that those obnoxious ‘meet your mate’ books throw at you. Age, in the end, doesn’t really matter unless you make it matter. If it’s a big deal to you than it will always be a big deal within your relationship. So if you have any qualms about it, stick within your age range. If you don’t, then don’t let a number limit your decisions.
-Christine


















Comments
Login or register to post a commentVery interesting study!
Bottom line for me is that I rather be stuck in a poor life style with the person I love than the "high life" with a person I don't really love. To me it seems it would be boring. I do agree with the 10 years. I dated a person almost 7 years older and I would have never knew he was the "old" if he did not tell me.
-Sam
Me Too!
I would rather be broke and with the man I am crazy about then be rich with someone I don't even like.
I agree, age is in the mind. My father is 65 in his mind. He is an exception to my rule.
My mother has a hard time keeping up with him at 83 years old. He is a trooper and he goes non-stop!
It would really have to be some guy, with an amazing personality for me to go over 45 or 10 years. But that is just me! It works for many other couples out there.
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An additional aspect to this
An additional aspect to this discussion is just what does the younger women or man want in terms of alimony or palimony if the relationship turns into marriage. Younger women and men should be sensitive to how many family members they may be jumping over.
The available man or women at age 50 or older may have had a wife or husband who passed on and the deceased spouse is probably turning in their grave knowing that a cute young thing is getting into the scene and possibly robbing family wealth from other family members too shy or modest to say anything.
I Stand To Be Corrected!
Okay, I was at Armani on Michigan Ave. today and I met a gentleman who I would date. I don't know how old he was, don't really want to know, but he was classy, attractive, savvy AND older. Christine and I both agreed that he was quite handsome. He was easy to talk to and at first blush seemed very interesting. I enjoyed our 10 minute conversation and walked away thinking, "Hmmmm, I would like to get to know him better."
So, there you go, I met an older man that I would enjoy dating and that breaks my own rules!
I would date an older man if
I would date an older man if I really liked him. I think it really depends on the man and the feelings that are stirred up inside when you are around him. It is a touch and go situation for me. I think I am to mature for the guys my age and I have always like men who were more mature than I, that usually results in a age difference of approximately 10 years. I have yet to date a man more than 10 years older than myself.
Here in New York anything goes. You see many women dating men just for their money, cars and the seduction of a movie star lifestyle. But, I think one may or may not have anything to do with the other. There are couples who do love each other regardless of the financial situation.
I do agree though that you can figure out someone's motives very fast when the man (or woman) looses all the money. The love might change rather quickly.
Its ok with me!
Personally I love to converse with and date younger women. Like 15 to 25 years younger. For me they are more interesting no matter what there status in life is. However these women are probably not going to be from the USA. Women in the USA tend to be to hung up on dating older men like its taboo or something. (There are exceptions to this. Take Clint Eastwood for example, his wife is approx. 34 years younger. Clint and his wife seem to be doing just fine. )
If a man has something a woman wants and that woman has something that that man wants then who’s business is it other than there’s. After all the parts fit together. I personally think a man who climbs on top of another man is some what repulsive. But there again its is their business. You get my drift. Just because mommy and daddy where only 4 years apart in age does not mean you need to be 4 years apart from your ex-husband. Plus have you noticed that for a man in his fifty’s it is almost impossible to find a woman close to his age who is not 75 pounds over weight. Or she is his age, divorced and is carrying so much post marriage baggage from ex number 1 and ex number 2 that even Dr. Phil couldn’t sort threw it all. So the pickings are much better in the 20 some things to start with. Which is the age range I hunt in. Remember girls, if I have something that trips her trigger and she has something that trips my trigger then that is all that matters and its nobody else’s business.
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That was funny. Points well taken! Thanks for sharing. I agree when it is just that. What do you think about the money thing?
I thought about your post a
I thought about your post a little more and some thoughts came to mind. Where do you suppose women get their baggage? If we follow your logic all the way through, are you saying that men are obsolete from baggage?
How would you define baggage, are we talking about emotional, sexual or children?
All the statistics and books written out there on women over 40 are contradicting everything you said in your post. I don't know what your age is but let's assume it is 55. Statistically speaking, it is women who initiate divorce after 40 by almost 50% and they go on to find lovers, partners, friends and even might get married, but most opt out of that and choose to remain independant.
Women over 40 are having more sex than their younger counter parts because they are dumping all their "luggage," and many times that comes in the form of a "husband." They are more secure, confident and comfortable with themselves. Most by now have figured out exactly what they want out of the rest of their life and what they are looking for and they don't have the biological mommy clock ticking and they aren't manipulating men into marriage. They just want to rediscover themselves and start living the way they want to live.
I am 35 and I have to tell you that there are far more "younger" women who have issues and baggage of all sorts because they are still trying to "figure it all out." When you have hit 40+ you kind of hope that you figured much of it out, you learn to let go, your sound, you comfortable with yourself and you are more willing to take risks, hence the high rate of female initiated divorce, and we tend to be thriving at the highest performance levels of our female life.
Everybody has baggage of some sort, none of us can get away from that, you just have to find the one who's baggage you can handle. More importantly, in some form or fashion, we have all contributed to giving someone somewhere along the line their fair share of baggage.
Great response. Do men
Great response. Do men someone escape "baggage" when they magically turn 50?
I don't know where this guy meets the "older" women that he is referring to in this post, but all of my friends are fit, attractive and more alive now then they ever have been.
I am 40. I don't think I am ready to date a 60 year old. He would have to be pretty special.
Dating older men
The first thought that most people have when they see a younger woman dating an obviously older man is that it is a financial arrangement benefiting the young woman. Can you image the social world for that situation. It would most likely just be the couple without friends involved.
Woman who are financially stable rarely go after men who are a lot older than they are. That being said, there is that small percent of younger woman and older men who do wind up getting married and pull it off with style. I think of Bing Crosby whose wife was younger than his children. He had a second family with the very young wife and they all did very well together. I'm sure there are many more out there but again that is a very small percentage. If you both consider all the aspects of the relationship and agree to enter into it with full knowledge then go for it. As a parent I would emphasize the "full knowledge aspect" of the relationship. Your eyes must be wide open.
DATING YOUR "DAD"
I enjoyed reading the blog postings about others womens views on dating older men. I am a young twenty two and have been dating a man who is forty for about two year now. When we first met he was in really good shape, tan,he looked around twenty 27. I would have guessed never in my life forty! When we began dating I could tell that whoever he had dated just before had "burned" him pretty bad. He was employed by really great company and was grossing about paychecks a little over $3,000 per week, but he was so nice to me I couldn't believe that I had met him. So we dated and my parents accepted him being older and came to like him. About a year later he decided to switch jobs and began working somewhere else. I was disapointed naturally because he was making about eight hundred dollars a week now instead of th three thousand a week then, but I loved him and felt like something was there so I continued to date him. Soon after, everything began to change or shall I say his "true colors" began to shine. He began trying to manipulate me and calling me fat. Fat...I'm 115lbs! He began trying to manipulate me financially and blaming everything that went wrong in his life on me. Everytime I would drive over to his house to spend time with him, I would bring him dinner, help him clean his house, cut coupons for him, painted the stairway,ect...he would have to take a shower or he would be sleeping or always something kept him so that he couldn't be bothered with me. I was like what happened to the guy that was showering me with flowers and going out for sushi, and kisses all the time. Now he wouldn't even sit and watch a movie with me. Then I began discovering things...like one day when he was in the shower or doing whatever he was doing when I was there that he couldn't be bothered with me that he had put 50,000 dollars on his credit card...and I was like omg he doesn't have that kind of money, and b) what he heck did he spend 50,000 dollars on? I didn't see any new cars in the garage I'm like this is crazy. Things continued spiraling downwards from there. He worked these weird shifts at night and he was never there at one point he actually asked me for money, because he was so broke he couldn't afford to buy groceries for the week. I felt bad but I knew that I was dating a loser. He was a "showboy" walked around with a fake wad of "ones" in his wallet and wanted the world to think he was rich...he was manipulating young girls and trying to get rich off of them! Im like this is crazy. He started worrying that I was going to find out he was so badly in debt, I couldn't understand how he could be after he had worked at that company and was making "so much" money. He treated me like a piece of ass. I tried to be a "future wife" to him, the way a girlfriend should treat a boyfriend, but nothing was ever good enough. I realized that it would never be good enough and that he wasn't good enough for me. My father,however, is very disappointed for being fooled into his Chananagans and for watching him make his only daughter cry. I don't know maybe its the "type" I choose to date, but it just seems like there are no decent guys out there left to date. I think it is possible to date an older guy...but you have to know what you are getting yourself into and that they are not trying to manipulate you. This guy was ready to pull out a flipping ring too...so crazy...so the search for the "one" continues...maybe I'm the crazy one, but Im pretty sure the "crazy" one is HIM.
I have heard other similar
I have heard other similar stories. The good news is that atleast you know and got out before it was to late!
There is a social crisis in today's society of which women out number men by a lot and many women will spend their life alone. It isn't that there is something wrong with you, it is that there isn't a big pool of available men and the one's that are single, they know the pool tips in their favor and they are like kids in a candy shop.
I recommend internet dating and getting a great job where you work with a lot of men in your office. Now days, people meet on-line or at work. Work romance is at an all time high to the point companies are having to change their work policies regarding dating in the work place.
Thanks for sharing! Sorry about your loss.
age gap
I would agree with Christine. If you look at a man and see an age, then it is an issue to be aware of. If you look at him and see who he is, then that is different. My partner is 22yrs older than me, but I don't notice that at all. What I notice is the incredible connection and understanding that we have between us. He certainly does act youthful and energetic, and I do think that has much to do with it, but above and beyond everything else is that certain acceptance that everyone longs for, and that is ageless and timeless, yes?
That said, I do suspect that were he, say, fifty years older, it would be problematic!
Dating Older Men
I would definetly date an older man, actually I prefer older men, then you don't have to worry about the immature antics and older men are more sensitive to what your feelings are prior to their own. I would recommend it to everyone.
I was once told better to be an old man's baby than a young man's maybe. The relationships just seem to last longer and you learn something.