Obama 'Lying' About Muslim Past, Expert Says

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Thursday, October 9, 2008 12:19 PM
By: David A. Patten

Sen. Barack Obama “is lying” when he insists that he has never prayed in a mosque and was never Muslim, a prominent Middle East expert and journalist says.

Daniel Pipes, founder of the Middle East Forum think tank, says he fully accepts that Obama is a Christian now. But there is strong evidence that Obama received a Muslim upbringing during his years in Indonesia, Pipes said.

“It’s fine with me that he was a Muslim and a convert to Christianity,” Pipes told Newsmax. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal “is a convert from Hinduism. I have no problem with his conversion. What I have a problem with is that he’s lying” when he says he was never Muslim.

Newsmax asked whether Pipes is alleging outright that Obama has lied about having a Muslim upbringing.

Pipes’ response: “The evidence suggests to me that he is lying, yes.”

Pipes told Newsmax, “It would start with the fact that his father was a Muslim — granted, not a practicing Muslim, but in the Muslim world, if your father is a Muslim, you’re a Muslim. His father named him Hussein, which is a name only given to Muslim babies. He went with his stepfather to a mosque. They celebrated certain Muslim holidays at the mosque together. He had knowledge of the Koran. He had knowledge of Muslim prayers. You put all this together, he was a Muslim.”

Pipes contends that a Nov. 12 post on Obama’s Web site headlined, "Barack Obama Is Not and Has Never Been a Muslim," stated: "Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."

Today, that post bears the same headline, but does not include an assertion that Obama “never prayed in a mosque” and “has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim.”

The page now bears a quote Obama made during the Jan. 15 debate on MSNBC: “In the Internet age, there are going to be lies that are spread all over the place. I have been victimized by these lies. Fortunately, the American people are, I think, smarter than folks give them credit for.”

The current post, which includes links intended to debunk any Muslim connection, is headlined “Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian”.

Several media outlets, including the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times, have reported on Obama’s schooling in Indonesia, where he lived from 1967 to 1971, which included Muslim religious studies.

It is known, for example, that Obama’s designation as a Muslim while attending a Catholic school may have simply reflected the fact that his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was Muslim.

Still, Obama was grouped with Muslim students at the school and engaged in weekly religious studies, including studying the Koran and learning Muslim prayers.

In 1970, Obama’s family moved and he was enrolled in a public school where children such as Obama who were identified as Muslim spent two hours a week studying Islam. [Editor's Note: Read the Los Angeles Times report on Obama's Muslim upbringing -- Click Here Now.]

A March 2007 Chicago Tribune article by Kim Barker, which stated several accounts had “distorted the reality” of Obama’s years in Indonesia, reported that he did regularly attend Muslim prayer services at the local mosque.

Obama’s third-grade teacher at the Catholic school, Fermina Katarina Sinaga, told Barker that Obama accompanied his stepfather to pray at the mosque, doing so “rarely.”

Pipes said Barker’s story bolsters his position that Obama was raised as Muslim while he lived in Indonesia. His accounts of Obama’s upbringing have received a “very severe reaction from the left” and threats from some Muslims, he said.

“The Islamists murmur and threaten,” Pipes said, declining to specify the threats he has received.

Pipes sees a whopping double standard in how the mainstream media has reported on Obama’s past.

“It’s been quite fascinating to watch the careful picking over of Sarah Palin’s record, down to her library policies as mayor of Wasilla, and her possible false pregnancies, and so forth, an analysis that involved excruciating details in her case.”

He contrasts that to the “the general pass” the media has given Obama, whether over his career in the Illinois Senate, the Annenberg library papers, or his upbringing in Jakarta. Pipes said his reports have “simply been dismissed as untrue without any facts to counter it.”

The McCain campaign “has been very cautious about looking into Barack Obama at all,” said Pipes, adding that the GOP has demonstrated a general reluctance to raise questions about Obama’s past.

Pipes has posted four articles on his Web site, “DanielPipes.org”, defending his view that Obama was a Muslim. The articles include the assertion that “for some years (Obama) had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian stepfather.”

As a measure of the interest in Obama’s background, Pipes’ articles have attracted close to half a million hits. One point of contention they raise: When someone is born of a Muslim father, do Muslims automatically consider him a Muslim?

A group of more than 50 scholars recently posted a statement on tabsir.net, a Web site dedicated to fostering an understanding of Islam, that seeks to refute that assertion. The statement maintains that distortions about Obama’s past are “part of an Islamophobic hate campaign that fuels prejudice against Americans who practice their Islamic faith and Muslims worldwide.”

Their statement says, “The vast majority of Muslims accept the Qur’anic message that there is no compulsion in Islam. Since Senator Obama was not raised as a Muslim, he cannot be held accountable for the religious status of his father.”

That assertion sounds logical to Western ears, but Pipes’ rejects it flatly.

“There is no doubt: It is a fact in Islam that the religion passes on through the father,” he told Newsmax. “And yet it’s denied as a falsehood by people who know better. They know better. It’s Islam 101.”

Supporting Pipes on that point is Shireen K. Burki, an adjunct professor of political science at the University of Mary Washington. Burki, who spent her childhood studying Islam at a school in Islamabad, Pakistan, has first-hand experience as the daughter of a Muslim father and a Christian mother.

“According to Islamic jurisprudence,” she wrote in a May article in the Christian Science Monitor, “children of a Muslim father — even an apparently nonpracticing one, such as Obama’s father, and irrespective of the mother’s faith — are automatically Muslims. Most Muslims around the world agree: A child of a Muslim father is a Muslim. Period.”

Given that Obama’s profession of Christianity is essentially uncontested, one might wonder whether it really matters whether Obama once was Muslim.

To many of the world’s approximately 1.4 billion Muslims, it apparently would matter a great deal. Experts on Islam generally agree that someone who is born a Muslim (in effect, someone who had a Muslim father), who later renounces Islam, is considered an apostate.

Burki writes, “Should Obama become U.S. commander in chief, there is a strong likelihood that al-Qaida’s media arm, As-Sahab, will exploit his background to argue that an apostate is leading the global war on terror (read: attacks against fellow Muslims). This perception would be leveraged to galvanize sympathizers into action.”

She suggests the apostate tag would be a powerful propaganda weapon that al-Qaida could wield to marginalize America’s Middle East allies, causing “enormous difficulties” in the war against terror.

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Gutter Press

Newsmax is 'spam' media. If you post from another source, it would behove you to select one that is not the 'gutter press'. I think it is great that we all are informed, indeed, it is crucial in these times. However, America and the world is undergoing the dire financial consequences of an incompetent administration and articles such as you post are simply smoke screens.

Thank you for posting it as a quote. I note that you also post in other media as part of the viral campaign.

Whilst it is absolutely untrue that Obama is a Muslim, it would make no difference. What you imply is that by virtue of the fact that someone is Muslim, they are also terrorists. That is the same as saying that all Mexicans are illegal aliens.

Do you know how many Muslims there are in the America? Do you know how many Muslims there are in the world?

Before you continue your 'spamfest', may I respectfully suggest that you do a little non partisan research.

"Dreams are Food for the Soul, it is the Dream that keeps you alive!"

CNN.com

is the source where I got this article from...they are the ones who re-printed this. The implication is CLEAR: Obama is ashamed of who he is. He was lied too much about his past, his friends, and the things he has been involved with.

The truth is that Obama is a LIAR. And nothing will save him now. HE WILL NEVER GET ELECTED.

"We generate and create in our life, the results that we believe we deserve."

LOL

I agree that posting from spam smoke screen posts is not credible.
I look forward to when Obama is elected. It will be a great day.
Where's your Hitler pic? I know you like to feature him. Is he your hero? Seems to be.
God Bless.
Sara

I see you

took down that provocative picture of your child---you're making progress.

Now, if you could just join the rest of the class in admiting what a sad fool Obama is---having to donate 800,000 to ACORN to bribe them to sign-up ONE MILLION phoney, dead, Dallas Cowboy---oh, oh, oh, and RESTURANT names---as DEMOCRATES for PHONEY VOTES!!!

What goes around COMES AROUND.

The only house Barak Hussian Obama is going to, is the Big Jail House---!!!! LMAO

"We generate and create in our life, the results that we believe we deserve."

Seshat - what did you say

Seshat - what did you say your 'profession' was?

"Dreams are Food for the Soul, it is the Dream that keeps you alive!"

I am a sex expert

...I sorta 'fell into it' while in college. I really wanted to be a nurse, but I just COULD NOT grasp the Science part of it, it was a whole lanquage I just couldn't get. So, because I had wanted to be a nurse all my life, when I got into college and found I didn't like it, I actually changed my major several times, until I wrote a journalistic piece for our University paper, and started writing. Through seven years of college, I wrote for local newspapers and magazines, as well as University---I had a natural journalistic talent. I wrote the beginnings of yearbooks, I won 11 debate trophies because I was so good at research. I ended-up getting degrees in Journalisum, Sex Education, Psychology and Anthropology...but what I was really good at, was writing about sex and relationships. How I fell into the 'sex expert' part, was, a freshman friend of a friend was having some sex issues, and none of the girls felt comfortable talking about it with her---except me. Almost from that moment forward, I spent ALL of my college years, talking sex and relationships with guys and girls. When I finished college, I did something no one had ever done before: I wrote a sex book about men, for women, that was TOTALLY from the male perspective. I wrote it in MAN language, in Man-Speak, 100% how men feel it, see it, need it, want it , desire it, crave it. I didn't have a computer at the time, it was 1992 and there wasn't even an actual Internet yet. So, I sat at Kinko's Copies in Portage, MI. and wrote this book and titled it "Creative Screwing". And then I sent it to every publisher. And I got PERSONAL, MEAN rejection letters, THE MEANEST from now fallen publisher, Judith Regan, who, in 1992, was at Simon&Schuster (what goes around comes around, haha!) Every time I got a rejection, I taped it to my wall. Over 200 of them. So---I self-published it. I took my book and printed 500 copies of it at Kinko's, and then I sent it to every sexual enity, to every talkshow, to every women's magazine, to every newspaper. In less-than two weeks, I was on 'Montel Williams'...and after that, it was a breeze. I have been written-up from High Society and Playboy, to Women's Day. I have did every talkshow (except Orpah), I did radio shows and I was printed-up in dozens of newspapers. I sold over 300,000 copies of this book, from the country of Australia to the USA, and from Barnes and Noble bookstore to Amazon.com. when the internet was finally invented. I sold so many books, that the big publishers came looking for me. In 2006, I signed a 6-figure, five-book deal, and the Revised Version of my book "Creative Screwing: a woman's guide to becoming an erotic echantress of superlustful sex", comes out in 12/09---it is 500 pages of the most magnificent sex ideas, facts, information that you will ever find, anywhere. I have tapped EVERY single source, from The Bible to Anthropology, from the earliest sex books in print, to the best websites on the internet. There are 32 coupons in one of the chapters, where you can put in a code and get, for intance, 50% off at a sex store on the WWW, such as Babeland.com. There isn't a single source I didn't tap, and I have the best referances and best books and best websites at the end of each chapter, where you can go and find out more. And---my own words and the way I say sex and approach sex, it is STILL giving it to women from their man's perspective. I also have a website, www.sensualseductress.com, and I started that because of Dr. Phil. I happened to just answer a woman on his sex/relationship message boards one day, and I got slammed with women emailing me asking questions. To date, I have helped over 7,000 women from Dr. Phil's website, which is why I will be going on his show...and this time, I will be on Oprah...she is my Goal. In these last few months of heavy, heavy editing, I had to take my website down for some months because I get so many hits a month and I am so slammed with emails, I just couldn't do both. Thank God for CNN and coffee. I am alos negotiating a greeting card line with a gift store, I have also just finished a script for a "Twilight Zone" episode...I have so much going on because of one door I refused to be told could not be opened.

My thing is, I always tell people: NEVER LET SOMEONE TELL YOU NO. If you want to do something, YOU DO IT. Did you know that SO MANY popular books were once self-published? "The Celestine Prophecy" was a self-published book, and my friend, Jay Wiseman, who writes "Sex Tricks" ALL his books were self-published. NEVER LET ANYONE SAY YOU CAN'T. The BEST careers were started AT HOME.

I am the daughter of a minister. My mom asks me: "Why can't you write children's books?" Because---THAT is not my talent. I could never be a Stephan King or a Shel Silverstein. My talent is taking sex and the way your man needs it, and writing it in such a way, that you get him, you finally figure him out. My talent is hearing a woman's sex issues, and not being afraid or hesitant or embarresed to answer the question. The point is: don't EVER let anyone tell you NO. If YOU HAVE AN IDEA, DO IT. Screw the negativity and envy and misunderstanding from other people---you take what you've got and you go with it. Anyone can do what they want in a career, if they never, ever listen to the cackle from other people. I am 100% proof of that.

"We generate and create in our life, the results that we believe we deserve."

What goes around

I look forward to the "What goes around" karma. Only you have the sickness in your heart to comment on a photo of an 11 year old girl.
No one agrees with it, and you need some serious help. Go find it.
In 22 days, when Obama is President Elect, I hope you can handle it without too much medication.
Sara

You're Right

what goes around DOES come around---and I have GREAT Karma, always have and always will. You, on the other hand, have the sick heart and need to be on serious medication. I am not the one who needs serious help, YOU ARE. You are the one who attacked my photo first, YOU are the one who started this whole drama, NOT me. I honestly thought that picture was of you, IT DOES NOT look like a little girl---and the fact that you would even have your kid's picture on your profile, says alot about who you are and what you think you need to hide from the world.

I harbor no anger toward you; but I truly pity you, find you truly pathetic, and feel badly for anyone that is around you and subjected to your pithy anger and horrible negativity. You do not know what true genuine kindness is. You do not know how to be anything but cruel, vindictive, judgemental and dishonest. And the Bad Karma in your life, certainly refects this.

"We generate and create in our life, the results that we believe we deserve."

Please leave me alone.

I am going to ask you again. I have private messaged you countless times to ask that you leave me alone. That you leave my child alone, that you stop commenting on your twisted view of her as being a sexual photo. I don't know how else to ask you but to do it publicly, in response to your continual harrassment of me and my family.
So I will say it as politely as possible and I wish that you would be respectful enough to leave ME and my family alone.
Stop sending me messages about your opinion that I had a sexual pic of my daughter up on my profile.
Stop harrassing me through private and public forums.
Please, I am begging, leave us alone.
I wish you much success with your life. However, you are not a good person, and I am tired of defending my in tact, successful, children and husband.
Leave us alone.
Sara

You Private Message Me OVER AND OVER, STALKING ME

all the time, and when I delete ALL your crazy messages to me without reading them, SINCE YOU ARE STALKING ME and I TOTALLY ignore you, you blog and blong about me CONSTANTLY, going TO MY BLOGS and making your inspid comments. I am not bothering YOU, you are bothering ME. I am NOT the one who is harassing you, YOU are harassing ME, I have ALL THE PROOF OF IT. I have never once harrassed you or your family, my God, you are truly PATHETIC. I have sent a forward of your blogs to my attorney, and to my Uncle, who is a Federal Court Judge here in Michigan. In public, you called me a Pediophile. Not only are you chronically STUPID, but you just legally hung yourself. If you EVER comment on another of my blogs or if you EVER email me again, I will see you in Court. If you think I am joking, you'd better call your own attorney and ask that person what happens to people like you who commit Libel.

THIS IS YOU FINAL WARNING: DO NOT EVER CONTACT ME IN ANY WAY WHAT-SO-EVER AGAIN.

"We generate and create in our life, the results that we believe we deserve."

Thank goodness you are understanding

Thank you for your final comments. I hope to never hear from you again.
I know you have this"gonna sue you" thing going on with others, so I now feel like a "club memeber" with the whole...I am gonna sue you thing.
Do not continue to comment on my blogs.
Thanks and have a Blessed and healing life.

Sara

You were warned

to NEVER CONTACT ME AGAIN.

You just do not seem to have the slightest bit of intelligence nor do you seem to grasp the ramificatiosn of your actions. Libel IS NOT something to be taken lightly, and NO ONE deserves to be LIED ABOUT or accused of horrible things. Better to go to Court and settle it with a judge and a jury, than on the street.

I suggest you get a good attorney. You are absolutely going to need it.

"We generate and create in our life, the results that we believe we deserve."

Again, leave me alone

I have asked you privately and publicly to leave me and my family alone.
Please respect my wishes. Your above posts have commented once again on the sexual nature of my 11 year old little girl. You should be lucky I am not suing you. LEAVE US ALONE. YOU ARE HARRASSING US ON THIS AND MANY OTHER POSTS AND COMMENTS>
Sara

Are you sure about that?

Are you sure you got this from CNN? I searched CNN high and low and did not find it. I did however find it on the conservative site Newsmax.com (the source mentioned in the post) which also boasts of contributing "journalists" like Dr. Laura Schlessinger and Bill O'Reilly.

Speak not in the ears of a fool: for she will despise the wisdom of thy
words."

Proverbs 23:9